Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D Pack – 16 Bags + HEPA Filter
- Product SKU: 10512530
- Category: Miele Vacuum Bags, VACUUM BAGS

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Overview
The Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D is a premium consumables kit intended for Miele uprights or vacuums that use Type U / U‑series filter bags. This pack includes 16 high‑quality AirClean 3D dust bags and 1 genuine HA30 HEPA exhaust filter, designed to maintain outstanding suction performance while ensuring superior air filtration. The kit supports Miele’s AirClean system to trap fine dust and allergens, making it especially suitable for homes requiring cleaner indoor air.
When properly installed, the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack helps retain more than 99.9% of fine dust particles, thereby protecting your vacuum motor and improving air quality.
Key Features
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Genuine Miele AirClean 3D Type U filter bags (16 units)
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One genuine Miele HA30 HEPA (AirClean) exhaust filter
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Multi-layer filtration to capture ultra-fine dust and allergens
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Automatic bag closure to minimize dust escape during bag changes
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Maximizes use of each bag’s full capacity
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Designed for high efficiency even at lower power settings
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Sealed design to prevent dust leakage
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Compatible with upright vacuums that accept U‑series bags
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Genuine parts ensure perfect fit, reliable performance, and warranty compliance
What Makes the Model Stand Out
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All-in-one consumables kit: Combines both dust bags and HEPA filter in one pack
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Genuine Miele components: Ensures ideal fit, longevity, and performance
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High dust retention: The AirClean 3D system traps more than 99.9% of fine dust
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Cleaner bag changes: Automatic closure mechanism reduces dust exposure
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Optimized for lower power draw: Maintains suction even at modest wattage
Technical Specifications
Specification | Detail |
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Pack Contents | 16 AirClean 3D Type U dust bags + 1 HA30 HEPA exhaust filter + (often 4 protection filters) |
Filtration Efficiency | > 99.9% of fine dust via AirClean 3D system |
Bag Style / Type | Type U (AirClean 3D) |
Filter Model | HA30 HEPA AirClean |
Compatibility | Upright vacuums / models requiring U‑series bags |
Bag Closure | Automatic bag-sealing upon opening lid |
Package Model Number | 10512530 |
Warranty / Guarantee | As per dealer / Miele parts warranty |
Shelf Life | Sealed consumables can be stored long term |
Weight & Dimensions | (As per shipping specs; varies by region) |
Ideal Buyers / Use Cases
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Owners of Miele upright vacuum cleaners that use U‑series / Type U bags
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Allergy or asthma sufferers needing HEPA-level air filtration
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Households wanting a bulk supply so they don’t reorder frequently
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Users who want to maintain peak suction and prolong vacuum motor life
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Anyone seeking genuine Miele parts and support via authorized channels
Availability & Sales Channels
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Ace Vacuums (In‑store): Visitors to Ace Vacuums retail locations can physically pick up the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack, confirm compatibility with their vacuum, and get installation guidance from staff.
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Ace Vacuums (Online): As an Authorized Dealer, Ace Vacuums lists the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack on its e-commerce site, offering secure checkout and delivery services. Customers ordering online through Ace Vacuums receive genuine parts, warranty‑safe purchases, and the backing of an authorized retailer.
Item Comparison Table
Feature / Aspect | Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D | Standard U Bags-Only Pack | Aftermarket / Generic Kits |
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Includes HEPA Exhaust Filter | Yes (HA30) | No | Sometimes, but oft lower quality |
Bag Count | 16 | Varies (e.g. 5, 8, 12) | Varies |
Filtration Efficiency | High (AirClean 3D + HEPA) | Depends on bag quality | Often lower / inconsistent |
Ease of Bag Change | Automatic closure reduces dust escape | Standard bag closure | Varies; risk of leaks |
Compatibility Assurance | Genuine Miele parts | High, if right bag chosen | Medium to low; poor fit possible |
Cost per Use | Moderate | Lower bag-only cost but need filter separately | May be low but quality risk |
Warranty / Support | Full if via Authorized Dealer | Usually supported | Rarely supported |
Air Quality / Allergen Control | Excellent | Dependent on bag quality | Often subpar |
Pros & Cons
Pros
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Complete consumables kit (bags + HEPA filter)
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Genuine Miele parts for reliable fit and performance
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High filtration for better indoor air quality
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Cleaner, safer bag changes via automatic closure
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Reduces risk of dust leaks impacting vacuum motor
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Supported by Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums
Cons
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Upfront cost is higher than basic bag-only packs
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If your vacuum doesn’t use Type U bags or HA30 filter, it’s incompatible
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Once open, parts must be stored safely to avoid dust contamination
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You may not need all 16 bags immediately depending on usage
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
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Q: What vacuums are compatible with the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack?
A: The Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack is designed for vacuum models that accept Type U / U‑series dust bags and the HA30 HEPA filter. Before purchase, consult your vacuum’s manual or contact Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums to verify compatibility. -
Q: Why should I buy the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack from Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums?
A: Purchasing the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D from Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums ensures you receive genuine Miele components, warranty protection, and after-sales support. Unauthorized sellers may supply counterfeit parts or void your warranty. -
Q: How often should I change the HA30 HEPA filter included in the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D set?
A: The HA30 HEPA filter in the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D kit should typically be replaced every 12 to 18 months, or sooner if heavily used. Always follow your vacuum model’s guidelines and consider change earlier in dusty environments. -
Q: Can I purchase additional Type U bags after using up the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack?
A: Yes. Once you’ve used the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack, you can buy more genuine Miele Type U bags individually. Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums stocks these extras for easy reordering. -
Q: Does the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D include pre-motor or protection filters?
A: The Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack often includes 4 protection filters in addition to the 16 dust bags and the HA30 filter. Always verify with Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums when ordering, as packaging may vary. -
Q: How does the filtration in the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D help with allergies?
A: The combination of AirClean 3D Type U bags and the HA30 HEPA filter in the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack traps more than 99.9% of fine dust and allergens, improving indoor air quality—especially beneficial for allergy sufferers. -
Q: If I order the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack online from Ace Vacuums, how long does delivery take?
A: Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums offers shipping across service regions. Delivery times depend on location and shipping method selected during checkout. You can check shipping estimates before completing the online order. -
Q: Can I return the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack if unopened?
A: Return policy depends on Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums’ terms. Typically, unopened, sealed consumables can be returned within a set period. Contact Ace Vacuums customer service to confirm. -
Q: Is there a risk of reduced suction when using the HA30 filter from the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D kit?
A: Using a genuine HA30 HEPA filter from the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack should not noticeably reduce suction in properly maintained vacuums. Poorly fitting or synthetic filters from non‑OEM sources, however, may cause flow loss. -
Q: What should I do if the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack doesn’t match my vacuum?
A: If you discover that the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack is incompatible with your vacuum (e.g., wrong bag type or filter), Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums can help you exchange it (subject to their return policy). Always confirm compatibility before purchasing.
Overview
The Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D is a premium consumables kit intended for Miele uprights or vacuums that use Type U / U‑series filter bags. This pack includes 16 high‑quality AirClean 3D dust bags and 1 genuine HA30 HEPA exhaust filter, designed to maintain outstanding suction performance while ensuring superior air filtration. The kit supports Miele’s AirClean system to trap fine dust and allergens, making it especially suitable for homes requiring cleaner indoor air.
When properly installed, the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack helps retain more than 99.9% of fine dust particles, thereby protecting your vacuum motor and improving air quality.
Key Features
-
Genuine Miele AirClean 3D Type U filter bags (16 units)
-
One genuine Miele HA30 HEPA (AirClean) exhaust filter
-
Multi-layer filtration to capture ultra-fine dust and allergens
-
Automatic bag closure to minimize dust escape during bag changes
-
Maximizes use of each bag’s full capacity
-
Designed for high efficiency even at lower power settings
-
Sealed design to prevent dust leakage
-
Compatible with upright vacuums that accept U‑series bags
-
Genuine parts ensure perfect fit, reliable performance, and warranty compliance
What Makes the Model Stand Out
-
All-in-one consumables kit: Combines both dust bags and HEPA filter in one pack
-
Genuine Miele components: Ensures ideal fit, longevity, and performance
-
High dust retention: The AirClean 3D system traps more than 99.9% of fine dust
-
Cleaner bag changes: Automatic closure mechanism reduces dust exposure
-
Optimized for lower power draw: Maintains suction even at modest wattage
Technical Specifications
Specification | Detail |
---|---|
Pack Contents | 16 AirClean 3D Type U dust bags + 1 HA30 HEPA exhaust filter + (often 4 protection filters) |
Filtration Efficiency | > 99.9% of fine dust via AirClean 3D system |
Bag Style / Type | Type U (AirClean 3D) |
Filter Model | HA30 HEPA AirClean |
Compatibility | Upright vacuums / models requiring U‑series bags |
Bag Closure | Automatic bag-sealing upon opening lid |
Package Model Number | 10512530 |
Warranty / Guarantee | As per dealer / Miele parts warranty |
Shelf Life | Sealed consumables can be stored long term |
Weight & Dimensions | (As per shipping specs; varies by region) |
Ideal Buyers / Use Cases
-
Owners of Miele upright vacuum cleaners that use U‑series / Type U bags
-
Allergy or asthma sufferers needing HEPA-level air filtration
-
Households wanting a bulk supply so they don’t reorder frequently
-
Users who want to maintain peak suction and prolong vacuum motor life
-
Anyone seeking genuine Miele parts and support via authorized channels
Availability & Sales Channels
-
Ace Vacuums (In‑store): Visitors to Ace Vacuums retail locations can physically pick up the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack, confirm compatibility with their vacuum, and get installation guidance from staff.
-
Ace Vacuums (Online): As an Authorized Dealer, Ace Vacuums lists the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack on its e-commerce site, offering secure checkout and delivery services. Customers ordering online through Ace Vacuums receive genuine parts, warranty‑safe purchases, and the backing of an authorized retailer.
Item Comparison Table
Feature / Aspect | Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D | Standard U Bags-Only Pack | Aftermarket / Generic Kits |
---|---|---|---|
Includes HEPA Exhaust Filter | Yes (HA30) | No | Sometimes, but oft lower quality |
Bag Count | 16 | Varies (e.g. 5, 8, 12) | Varies |
Filtration Efficiency | High (AirClean 3D + HEPA) | Depends on bag quality | Often lower / inconsistent |
Ease of Bag Change | Automatic closure reduces dust escape | Standard bag closure | Varies; risk of leaks |
Compatibility Assurance | Genuine Miele parts | High, if right bag chosen | Medium to low; poor fit possible |
Cost per Use | Moderate | Lower bag-only cost but need filter separately | May be low but quality risk |
Warranty / Support | Full if via Authorized Dealer | Usually supported | Rarely supported |
Air Quality / Allergen Control | Excellent | Dependent on bag quality | Often subpar |
Pros & Cons
Pros
-
Complete consumables kit (bags + HEPA filter)
-
Genuine Miele parts for reliable fit and performance
-
High filtration for better indoor air quality
-
Cleaner, safer bag changes via automatic closure
-
Reduces risk of dust leaks impacting vacuum motor
-
Supported by Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums
Cons
-
Upfront cost is higher than basic bag-only packs
-
If your vacuum doesn’t use Type U bags or HA30 filter, it’s incompatible
-
Once open, parts must be stored safely to avoid dust contamination
-
You may not need all 16 bags immediately depending on usage
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
-
Q: What vacuums are compatible with the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack?
A: The Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack is designed for vacuum models that accept Type U / U‑series dust bags and the HA30 HEPA filter. Before purchase, consult your vacuum’s manual or contact Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums to verify compatibility. -
Q: Why should I buy the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack from Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums?
A: Purchasing the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D from Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums ensures you receive genuine Miele components, warranty protection, and after-sales support. Unauthorized sellers may supply counterfeit parts or void your warranty. -
Q: How often should I change the HA30 HEPA filter included in the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D set?
A: The HA30 HEPA filter in the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D kit should typically be replaced every 12 to 18 months, or sooner if heavily used. Always follow your vacuum model’s guidelines and consider change earlier in dusty environments. -
Q: Can I purchase additional Type U bags after using up the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack?
A: Yes. Once you’ve used the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack, you can buy more genuine Miele Type U bags individually. Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums stocks these extras for easy reordering. -
Q: Does the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D include pre-motor or protection filters?
A: The Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack often includes 4 protection filters in addition to the 16 dust bags and the HA30 filter. Always verify with Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums when ordering, as packaging may vary. -
Q: How does the filtration in the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D help with allergies?
A: The combination of AirClean 3D Type U bags and the HA30 HEPA filter in the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack traps more than 99.9% of fine dust and allergens, improving indoor air quality—especially beneficial for allergy sufferers. -
Q: If I order the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack online from Ace Vacuums, how long does delivery take?
A: Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums offers shipping across service regions. Delivery times depend on location and shipping method selected during checkout. You can check shipping estimates before completing the online order. -
Q: Can I return the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack if unopened?
A: Return policy depends on Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums’ terms. Typically, unopened, sealed consumables can be returned within a set period. Contact Ace Vacuums customer service to confirm. -
Q: Is there a risk of reduced suction when using the HA30 filter from the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D kit?
A: Using a genuine HA30 HEPA filter from the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack should not noticeably reduce suction in properly maintained vacuums. Poorly fitting or synthetic filters from non‑OEM sources, however, may cause flow loss. -
Q: What should I do if the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack doesn’t match my vacuum?
A: If you discover that the Miele U HA30 Performance AirClean 3D pack is incompatible with your vacuum (e.g., wrong bag type or filter), Authorized Dealer Ace Vacuums can help you exchange it (subject to their return policy). Always confirm compatibility before purchasing.
Ace Vacuums Locations:
- Fairfax, VA: 11110 Main Street, Fairfax, VA 22030
- Leesburg, VA: 300 Fort Evans Rd NE, Leesburg, VA 20176
Driving Directions to Ace Vacuums in Fairfax, VA (11110 Main Street, Fairfax, VA 22030)
From Maryland (e.g., Bethesda, Silver Spring, Rockville):
- Start on I-495 S (Capital Beltway Inner Loop): Head south on I-495 towards Northern Virginia.
- Take Exit 45 A-B for VA-267 W (Dulles Toll Road): Follow signs for VA-267 West (Dulles Toll Road). Be aware this is a toll road.
- Continue on VA-267 W: Stay on the Dulles Toll Road for several miles.
- Take Exit 16 for VA-7 E (Leesburg Pike) / VA-123 S (Chain Bridge Rd): Follow signs for VA-123 South (Chain Bridge Rd).
- Merge onto VA-123 S (Chain Bridge Rd): Continue south on Chain Bridge Road.
- Turn Right onto Main Street (VA-236 W): This will be a significant intersection. You'll continue on Main Street for a short distance.
- Ace Vacuums Fairfax: Ace Vacuums will be on your left side, directly opposite Havertys Furniture Store. Look for their prominent signage.
From Washington D.C. (e.g., Downtown D.C.):
- Take I-66 W toward Vienna/Centreville/Fairfax: Get onto I-66 West.
- Take Exit 60 for VA-123 S (Chain Bridge Rd) toward Fairfax: Follow the exit ramp.
- Turn Right onto VA-123 S (Chain Bridge Rd): Continue south on Chain Bridge Road.
- Turn Right onto Main Street (VA-236 W): This will be a significant intersection.
- Ace Vacuums Fairfax: Ace Vacuums will be on your left side, directly opposite Havertys Furniture Store.
From Northern Virginia (e.g., Arlington, Falls Church, Vienna):
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From Arlington/Falls Church:
- Take US-50 W (Arlington Blvd) or VA-236 W (Main Street) directly into Fairfax: Depending on your starting point, either of these roads will lead you directly to Fairfax.
- Continue on Main Street (VA-236 W):
- Ace Vacuums Fairfax: Ace Vacuums will be on your left side, directly opposite Havertys Furniture Store.
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From Vienna:
- Take VA-123 S (Chain Bridge Rd) toward Fairfax: Head south on Chain Bridge Road.
- Turn Right onto Main Street (VA-236 W):
- Ace Vacuums Fairfax: Ace Vacuums will be on your left side, directly opposite Havertys Furniture Store.
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From Areas West/Northwest of Fairfax (e.g., Chantilly, Centreville):
- Take US-50 E or I-66 E towards Fairfax.
- If on I-66 E, take Exit 60 for VA-123 S (Chain Bridge Rd). Turn left onto Chain Bridge Rd, then right onto Main Street.
- If on US-50 E, turn right onto Main Street (VA-236 E) in Fairfax.
- Ace Vacuums Fairfax: Ace Vacuums will be on your right side if coming from US-50 E/VA-236 E, shortly after crossing VA-123. Look for Havertys Furniture Store on your left.
Driving Directions to Ace Vacuums in Leesburg, VA (300 Fort Evans Rd NE, Leesburg, VA 20176)
From Maryland (e.g., Bethesda, Silver Spring, Rockville):
- Start on I-495 S (Capital Beltway Inner Loop): Head south on I-495 towards Northern Virginia.
- Take Exit 45 A-B for VA-267 W (Dulles Toll Road): Follow signs for VA-267 West (Dulles Toll Road). Be aware this is a toll road.
- Continue on VA-267 W (Dulles Toll Road/Dulles Greenway): Stay on VA-267 West. This road transitions from the Dulles Toll Road to the Dulles Greenway as you head further west into Loudoun County. Tolls apply for both sections.
- Take Exit 1A for VA-7 W (Harry Byrd Hwy) toward Leesburg: This is a major exit.
- Continue on VA-7 W: You'll drive for several miles, passing through Sterling and Ashburn.
- Take the Exit for Battlefield Parkway / Fort Evans Road: As you approach Leesburg, look for this exit.
- Turn Right onto Fort Evans Rd NE: After exiting, turn right onto Fort Evans Road NE.
- Ace Vacuums Leesburg: Ace Vacuums will be on your right side, located next to the Home Depot, and directly across from the Leesburg Premium Outlets.
From Washington D.C. (e.g., Downtown D.C.):
- Take I-66 W toward Vienna/Centreville: Get onto I-66 West.
- Merge onto VA-267 W (Dulles Toll Road): Follow signs for VA-267 West (Dulles Toll Road). Tolls apply.
- Continue onto VA-267 W (Dulles Greenway): Stay on the Dulles Greenway. Tolls apply.
- Take Exit 1A for VA-7 W (Harry Byrd Hwy) toward Leesburg:
- Continue on VA-7 W:
- Take the Exit for Battlefield Parkway / Fort Evans Road:
- Turn Right onto Fort Evans Rd NE:
- Ace Vacuums Leesburg: Ace Vacuums will be on your right side, located next to the Home Depot, and directly across from the Leesburg Premium Outlets.
From Northern Virginia (e.g., Fairfax, Arlington, Ashburn, Sterling):
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From Fairfax:
- Take VA-123 N (Chain Bridge Rd) to access VA-267 W (Dulles Toll Road) or take I-66 W to VA-267 W: Your best bet is to get onto VA-267 West (Dulles Toll Road).
- Continue on VA-267 W (Dulles Toll Road/Dulles Greenway): Tolls apply.
- Take Exit 1A for VA-7 W (Harry Byrd Hwy) toward Leesburg:
- Continue on VA-7 W:
- Take the Exit for Battlefield Parkway / Fort Evans Road:
- Turn Right onto Fort Evans Rd NE:
- Ace Vacuums Leesburg: Ace Vacuums will be on your right side, located next to the Home Depot, and directly across from the Leesburg Premium Outlets.
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From Ashburn / Sterling / Eastern Loudoun County:
- Take VA-7 W (Harry Byrd Hwy) directly toward Leesburg: This is the most direct route.
- Take the Exit for Battlefield Parkway / Fort Evans Road:
- Turn Right onto Fort Evans Rd NE:
- Ace Vacuums Leesburg: Ace Vacuums will be on your right side, located next to the Home Depot, and directly across from the Leesburg Premium Outlets.
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From Western Virginia (e.g., Winchester):
- Take US-7 E (Harry Byrd Hwy) toward Leesburg:
- In Leesburg, after passing the Leesburg Premium Outlets on your left, prepare for the Fort Evans Road / Battlefield Parkway exit.
- Take the Exit for Fort Evans Road / Battlefield Parkway.
- Turn Left onto Fort Evans Rd NE: You'll go over VA-7.
- Ace Vacuums Leesburg: Ace Vacuums will be on your right side, located next to the Home Depot.
Shipping Policy
Return Policy
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Report Issues Promptly: Inspect your shipment upon arrival. Any shortages or defects must be reported within 7 days of delivery or they cannot be addressed.
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Return Window: Unused items in their original packaging may be returned within 15 days of delivery for a full refund. After 15 days and up to 30 days, only an exchange or store credit is offered, provided the item is unused and in its original packaging. Products returned beyond 30 days will not be accepted.
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Restocking Fees: A standard restocking fee of 15 % applies to all approved returns. Used, damaged, or incomplete items may incur a restocking fee of up to 50 % or be refused entirely.
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Final Sale Items: All discounted items, trade‑ins, holiday promotions, price‑matched goods, and air purifiers are final sale and not eligible for return or exchange.
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No Cash Refunds: Refunds will be issued to the original payment method. Shipping charges are non‑refundable and return shipping is the customer’s responsibility unless the return is due to our error.
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Return Authorization Required: Before returning any item, you must contact our customer service at 1‑888‑606‑8885 (Mon–Fri, 10 a.m.–7 p.m. EST) to obtain return instructions and the correct return address. Unauthorized or COD returns will not be accepted.
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Processing Time: Once your return is received and inspected, please allow up to 10 business days for processing.
We recommend including a copy of your receipt and your contact information with all returns to ensure prompt service.
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